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464: When the Marriage Is OVER. Lysa TerKeurst on Narcissistic Abuse 101, Ending Self-Betrayal, and Why Unhealthy People Never Meet a Boundary They Like

Podcast · November 12, 2025

There’s a moment when “endure it” becomes “end it,” not because you stopped believing in God’s power to heal, but because refusing to betray your God-given boundaries is how you stop betraying yourself. This week on Win Today, Lysa TerKeurst joins me to confront the realities so many live in silence: when it’s biblically wise to end a marriage, how we talk ourselves out of our own boundaries, why loneliness is sometimes God’s operating room, and what you must know about narcissistic abuse—gaslighting, trauma bonds, and DARVO—so you can name what’s happening and get safe. If you’ve been praying for clarity while living in chaos, this conversation is a lifeline.

You’ll learn:
  • How to discern when boundaries require goodbye—not more excuses.
  • Narcissistic abuse 101: gaslighting, trauma bonds, DARVO—and why you’re not “crazy.”
  • Why dishonoring your own boundaries is spiritual and emotional self-harm—and how to stop.
  • Holy loneliness: why a season of aloneness can become the context for deep healing.
  • How to plan safety, support, and next steps without getting trapped by shame.

Guest Bio

Lysa TerKeurst is President and Chief Visionary Officer of Proverbs 31 Ministries and a #1 New York Times bestselling author. Having walked through public heartbreak and private rebuilding, she helps people leave destructive patterns with biblical clarity and practical courage. Today isn’t about her résumé; it’s about your safety, your sanity, and your future.

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Resources Mentioned This Week

  • Surviving an Unwanted Divorce: A Biblical, Practical Guide to Letting Go While Holding Yourself Together
  • Healing What You Can’t Erase: Transform Your Mental, Emotional, and Spiritual Health from the Inside Out

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