You’ve been filling your days to the brim and calling it faithfulness. Every hour accounted for. Every margin eliminated. You pull it all off, too, and you reach the end of the day unable to say why it felt empty. The people you love most were technically present, but you couldn’t really see them. You measured the day by what got done, not by who got loved. And underneath the productivity, if you’re honest, there was a quieter engine running — the fear that if you slowed down, you’d have to sit with something you’re not ready to face. Tyler Staton, lead pastor of Bridgetown Church in Portland, author of Praying Like Monks Living Like Fools, The Familiar Stranger, and his newest book After Amen, joins me for what I believe is one of the most theologically precise and personally confronting conversations this show has produced. Tyler has walked through a stage-four cancer diagnosis and come through it with a startling clarity about what the soul actually needs. In this conversation, we cover the holiness of unfinished things, how to distinguish Spirit-led submission from fear-driven people-pleasing, what it means to absorb the wrongs of another without becoming a doormat, why approval addiction and genuine love cannot coexist in the same moment, and what Jesus’s own relationship to human limits reveals about how we were designed to live.
What Tyler says about the Kingdom of God is worth stopping on. The Kingdom only comes in the present, he argues, and when you’re living in your head, toward the next thing, you cannot participate in it. This isn’t a productivity hack. It’s a diagnosis of a spiritual condition most of us have normalized. The hurry we’ve made peace with is the very thing severing us from the people we love, the voice of the Spirit we say we want, and the joy we keep expecting to find somewhere ahead.
What you’ll find in this conversation is not comfort. You’ll find a mirror. Tyler names the lie that high-achievers and approval-seekers share in common: that more urgency and more effort will eventually produce the love and belonging we’re chasing, and he tells you exactly why that trade will cost you your soul. This conversation will ask something of you. The question is whether you’re ready to slow down enough to hear it.
Guest Bio
Tyler Staton is the lead pastor of Bridgetown Church in Portland, Oregon, and the national director of 24-7 Prayer USA. He is the author of Praying Like Monks, Living Like Fools, The Familiar Stranger — a book about encountering the Holy Spirit as a living Person — and his newest release, After Amen: 50 Days of Poetry and Prayer, written in the aftermath of a stage-four cancer diagnosis and the particular clarity that kind of wilderness produces. Tyler lives in Portland with his wife Kirsten and their three sons. His work sits at the intersection of contemplative prayer, Spirit-led formation, and the kind of pastoral honesty that refuses to separate theological depth from ordinary daily life.
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Resources Mentioned This Week
- After Amen: 50 Days of Poetry and Prayer
- Healing What You Can’t Erase: Transform Your Mental, Emotional, and Spiritual Health from the Inside Out
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